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	<title>Comments on: AppEngine is GOOG&#039;s Web 3.0, Takes Aim at Facebook, not Amazon</title>
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		<title>By: Q dub</title>
		<link>http://innonate.com/2008/04/08/appengine-amazon-facebook/#comment-454</link>
		<dc:creator>Q dub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 21:57:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t quite get it...can a Facebook app not sit on GAE or AWS?  If so, they&#039;re not really competing.  GAE will be most detrimental to traditional webhosts who offer LAMP and MS Server stacks - serving small/medium sized companies who don&#039;t want to invest in expertise to scale.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t quite get it&#8230;can a Facebook app not sit on GAE or AWS?  If so, they&#8217;re not really competing.  GAE will be most detrimental to traditional webhosts who offer LAMP and MS Server stacks &#8211; serving small/medium sized companies who don&#8217;t want to invest in expertise to scale.</p>
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		<title>By: Nate Westheimer</title>
		<link>http://innonate.com/2008/04/08/appengine-amazon-facebook/#comment-453</link>
		<dc:creator>Nate Westheimer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 21:15:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good points fellas. I guess my point is not what it is TODAY but what it will shape up to be in 10 years.

In 10 years, EC2 will be the best way to run any kind of application on it.

In 10 years, AppEngine will be a dev platform especially useful for applications tied into the Google Stack.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good points fellas. I guess my point is not what it is TODAY but what it will shape up to be in 10 years.</p>
<p>In 10 years, EC2 will be the best way to run any kind of application on it.</p>
<p>In 10 years, AppEngine will be a dev platform especially useful for applications tied into the Google Stack.</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne Mulligan</title>
		<link>http://innonate.com/2008/04/08/appengine-amazon-facebook/#comment-452</link>
		<dc:creator>Wayne Mulligan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 18:19:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting comparison to Facebook Nate, but I think you&#039;re a bit off the mark with respect to EC2/S3 and what Google&#039;s real aim is here.

EC2 is not inherently scalable, only after plugging in services like RightScale can anyone hope to have a reliable, redundant and scalable version of their app up on AWS.  Google reduces that need by tethering all of their services together.

Also, they don&#039;t tie the apps built on their platform directly into Google&#039;s API&#039;s and tool sets - they&#039;re options that you can use but you can also choose to have your app running on your own domain with no linking to any Google services at all.

Also, Python is the &quot;first&quot; language they&#039;re going to support - not the &quot;only&quot; language.  They&#039;ll be launching more languages soon, so I&#039;m sitting tight until PHP is up there.  But I have been playing with my beta account and it&#039;s pretty cool for such an early stage product.

And I think the real goal here isn&#039;t to compete with Facebook, but rather become to the web what Microsoft was to PC&#039;s -- the platform that all software is built upon.  While Microsoft did that so they could sell more software, Google wants to do it to sell more ads.  An ancillary benefit is that it&#039;ll probably make it dramatically easier to identify and integrate acquisition candidates - GoogleFund? haha.

But I think that the comparison to Facebook is still interesting and will definitely be interesting to see how these apps tie into OpenSocial and OpenSocial partners networks.  Because as of now, Google doesn&#039;t really have any viral marketing mechanisms built in the way Facebook did.

-Wayne</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting comparison to Facebook Nate, but I think you&#8217;re a bit off the mark with respect to EC2/S3 and what Google&#8217;s real aim is here.</p>
<p>EC2 is not inherently scalable, only after plugging in services like RightScale can anyone hope to have a reliable, redundant and scalable version of their app up on AWS.  Google reduces that need by tethering all of their services together.</p>
<p>Also, they don&#8217;t tie the apps built on their platform directly into Google&#8217;s API&#8217;s and tool sets &#8211; they&#8217;re options that you can use but you can also choose to have your app running on your own domain with no linking to any Google services at all.</p>
<p>Also, Python is the &#8220;first&#8221; language they&#8217;re going to support &#8211; not the &#8220;only&#8221; language.  They&#8217;ll be launching more languages soon, so I&#8217;m sitting tight until PHP is up there.  But I have been playing with my beta account and it&#8217;s pretty cool for such an early stage product.</p>
<p>And I think the real goal here isn&#8217;t to compete with Facebook, but rather become to the web what Microsoft was to PC&#8217;s &#8212; the platform that all software is built upon.  While Microsoft did that so they could sell more software, Google wants to do it to sell more ads.  An ancillary benefit is that it&#8217;ll probably make it dramatically easier to identify and integrate acquisition candidates &#8211; GoogleFund? haha.</p>
<p>But I think that the comparison to Facebook is still interesting and will definitely be interesting to see how these apps tie into OpenSocial and OpenSocial partners networks.  Because as of now, Google doesn&#8217;t really have any viral marketing mechanisms built in the way Facebook did.</p>
<p>-Wayne</p>
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		<title>By: Kareem</title>
		<link>http://innonate.com/2008/04/08/appengine-amazon-facebook/#comment-451</link>
		<dc:creator>Kareem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 15:22:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm, interesting viewpoint but I disagree. The key benefit of AppEngine is commoditizing scalability. I imagine AppEngine will be a boon for Facebook developers and actually lower the barriers to entry significantly. Even with services like EC2 &amp; S3 it was very hard to build scalable FB applications until now...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, interesting viewpoint but I disagree. The key benefit of AppEngine is commoditizing scalability. I imagine AppEngine will be a boon for Facebook developers and actually lower the barriers to entry significantly. Even with services like EC2 &amp; S3 it was very hard to build scalable FB applications until now&#8230;</p>
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