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	<title>Comments on: The NYC Test: Can We Hire a Local PHP Developer?</title>
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		<title>By: Niki Scevak</title>
		<link>http://innonate.com/2008/02/04/the-nyc-test-can-we-hire-a-local-php-developer/comment-page-1/#comment-4945</link>
		<dc:creator>Niki Scevak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 20:35:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One brutal answer: the job ad sucks. It goes against every ounce of tone that your much better blog post conveys.

&quot;Bonus points for XHTML, CSS, UI, and/or UX savvy; must be willing to work 3+ days a week out of our Madison Sq. Park office. Ideally, you can dive into a complex codebase and rapidly become familiar with minimal guidance. Position will be a 3-month contract with potential to become full-time.&quot;

is almost the total opposite of

&quot;People who know us know that working with Kyle and me would be a fun, flexible, and meaningful. We made it clear in our postings that we’re looking for someone to be a local team-member, not just a code-monkey we send specs to and then don’t invite out to drink beers at 2A, or get BBQ at Georgia’s or sip coffee at The Roasting Plant.&quot;

The first says me me me, and the later says we&#039;d love to meet you.

Just my $0.02.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One brutal answer: the job ad sucks. It goes against every ounce of tone that your much better blog post conveys.</p>
<p>&#8220;Bonus points for XHTML, CSS, UI, and/or UX savvy; must be willing to work 3+ days a week out of our Madison Sq. Park office. Ideally, you can dive into a complex codebase and rapidly become familiar with minimal guidance. Position will be a 3-month contract with potential to become full-time.&#8221;</p>
<p>is almost the total opposite of</p>
<p>&#8220;People who know us know that working with Kyle and me would be a fun, flexible, and meaningful. We made it clear in our postings that we’re looking for someone to be a local team-member, not just a code-monkey we send specs to and then don’t invite out to drink beers at 2A, or get BBQ at Georgia’s or sip coffee at The Roasting Plant.&#8221;</p>
<p>The first says me me me, and the later says we&#8217;d love to meet you.</p>
<p>Just my $0.02.</p>
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		<title>By: ericabiz</title>
		<link>http://innonate.com/2008/02/04/the-nyc-test-can-we-hire-a-local-php-developer/comment-page-1/#comment-4939</link>
		<dc:creator>ericabiz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 19:20:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NYC is terribly expensive... I wouldn&#039;t blame people who live there from wanting security, because once you sign the Death Leases that many landlords have there, you don&#039;t want a job that will stop paying you in 3 months.

Have you considered hiring someone in a cheaper locale? Someone who is only paying $400/mo for a mortgage in the Midwest or South is probably in a much better position to take on the risk offered with a startup job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NYC is terribly expensive&#8230; I wouldn&#8217;t blame people who live there from wanting security, because once you sign the Death Leases that many landlords have there, you don&#8217;t want a job that will stop paying you in 3 months.</p>
<p>Have you considered hiring someone in a cheaper locale? Someone who is only paying $400/mo for a mortgage in the Midwest or South is probably in a much better position to take on the risk offered with a startup job.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Kangas</title>
		<link>http://innonate.com/2008/02/04/the-nyc-test-can-we-hire-a-local-php-developer/comment-page-1/#comment-4938</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Kangas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 17:49:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would apply, but I&#039;m not a UI guy myself... more into &quot;real coding&quot; problems on website back-ends.

I don&#039;t meet many folks in NYC who are both strong graphic designers and strong coders. People seem to specialize one way or the other. Is this better/worse than other places (SF, etc)?... dunno!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would apply, but I&#8217;m not a UI guy myself&#8230; more into &#8220;real coding&#8221; problems on website back-ends.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t meet many folks in NYC who are both strong graphic designers and strong coders. People seem to specialize one way or the other. Is this better/worse than other places (SF, etc)?&#8230; dunno!</p>
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		<title>By: Scott T.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott T.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 02:06:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The other side of the risk coin -- joining early at a startup can mean working for much lower pay than the going market rate (which are now in the 6 figures for experienced php devs) -- and in a city with an insane cost of living, it&#039;s a little harder to &quot;squeeze by&quot; for a few years and take a risk -- a little easier to do if you live in a town where you can rent a *house* twice the size of your apartment for 2/3 what you pay in rent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The other side of the risk coin &#8212; joining early at a startup can mean working for much lower pay than the going market rate (which are now in the 6 figures for experienced php devs) &#8212; and in a city with an insane cost of living, it&#8217;s a little harder to &#8220;squeeze by&#8221; for a few years and take a risk &#8212; a little easier to do if you live in a town where you can rent a *house* twice the size of your apartment for 2/3 what you pay in rent.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott T.</title>
		<link>http://innonate.com/2008/02/04/the-nyc-test-can-we-hire-a-local-php-developer/comment-page-1/#comment-4935</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott T.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 02:00:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I *am* working for a startup... but yeah, I&#039;ve noticed that demand for web devs is very high right now.  Real web designers (the kind that know standards based xhtml &amp; css and can deal with templates, but can also wear the graphic designer hat) are also very hard to find.  Plain old graphic-designers-for-the-web and Flash monkeys seem to be a little more prevalent; though real front-end coders (ActionScript, Flex, Javascript) also seem rather rare.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I *am* working for a startup&#8230; but yeah, I&#8217;ve noticed that demand for web devs is very high right now.  Real web designers (the kind that know standards based xhtml &amp; css and can deal with templates, but can also wear the graphic designer hat) are also very hard to find.  Plain old graphic-designers-for-the-web and Flash monkeys seem to be a little more prevalent; though real front-end coders (ActionScript, Flex, Javascript) also seem rather rare.</p>
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